This change made two crew districts out of what were three, running thru the traditional terminals atAvery, ID and Malden, WA. I know one is La Crosse, WI and I'm guessing those crews run to the Twin Cities. To participate you must either login or register for an account. I was wondering about crewchangepoints along the UP and BNSF in the Midwest. BNSF Editor CTC Board Magazine [ Reply To This Message ] Date: 01/10/02 19:00 Thanks Author: dbm. The railroad is run as an East-West route. Some railroaders have said the policy incentivizes employees to work while sick or tired, something that Goodson can very much relate to. Sign-up for email today! Get great snapshots of railroading history in Art Petersons newest book. I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. Satellite view on Google maps shows a lot of empty lots in the town and I guess that the population may have been 300 to 500 at its peak. Seems I recall a map in trains a while back showing this. Some trains that go into LPC or to the connecting roads like the CSX, IHB, BRC, and NS change out at Savanna. But she added that incentive ultimately rewards those who take little, if any, time off and who don't need the points anyway. LEARN MORE Tribal Relations. Highlighting our commitment to safety, service, innovation, people, communities and our heritage. Same with RR'ers in TEY service. Thanks in advance! I find it ironic that the MILW expandend some of their districts just as deferredmaintenance caused speeds to drop. The heart of the yard is visible from a hill about midway . Satellite view on Google maps shows a lot of empty lots in the town and I guess that the population may have been 300 to 500 at its peak. Same with RR'ers in TEY service. A fourth-generation Northeast Wyoming native, Hugh joined Wyoming Public Media in October 2021 after studying and working abroad and in Washington, D.C. for the late Senator Mike Enzi. It's grown enough that engineer's need about half of that, even less for conductors. Don't know if he's going to range all the way up to PRB coal country or west into Utah. BNSF crew change points. Our community is FREE to join. > * BNSF/UP: Denver to Winter Park (Does BNSF use helpers? I can remember when the "featherbedding" talk began, about needing to keep crews in the trains longer because the trains were faster and did they really need three men in the cab and two in the rear. In these stories you'll meet some of the thousands of diverse, talented, and dedicated employees who do their part to keep freight moving for our customers. . If. Information about the railroad through Flagstaff, Arizona The rail line through Flagstaff is operated by the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (BNSF). Several projects are currently underway to further expand the route's efficiency by adding triple- and even quadruple-track long stretches of the busiest parts of the Transcon. The Clinton-Mo Valleylong poolhandles mostly intermodal trains. Apply early as this job may be filled at any time. In 1992, Santa Fe began a decades-long project to double-track the 512 miles of the route that remained single-tracked. He said the policy is very stringent. Lowest Point : 456 ft @ Topock, AZ. It employs about 40,000 people and operates in 28 states on over 32,000 miles of track throughout its system. That's in addition to the $3.3 billion we invested between 2013 and 2017. Each intermodal train carries as much freight as 280 trucks, helping alleviate congestion on our nation's highways. "At any given time, there are about 300 trains running along the Transcon," added Rasmussen. I though I saw articles in the mainstream press in the '80's that they were extending crew districts from east of Spokane, WA, across the Idaho panhandle, and over onto the flatland's of Montana. Dickinson crews still run locals between New Salem and Beach including the ever growing rail hub of RICHARDTON ND. Melstone was almost certainly a crew change location in that it was almost exactly halfway between Harlow and Miles, along with being the only spot between Roundup and Miles City with more than two parallel tracks. This month BNSF placed in service 5 miles of fourth main track on the Hereford Subdivision through Amarillo, Texas. However, the longestcrew division is CP's Belleville Subdivision from Smiths Falls ONto Toronto Yard (197 track miles) where the Toronto Terminal officially begins or ends. She apologized andI pardoned her and let her go on to wherever it was she needed to go quickly. Even a 25 MPH scheduled speed would result in an 8 hour trip. We offer a library of downloadable files, forums to exchanges messages, news and more. Going the extra mile for our customers and our communities. Does the UP still have a Proviso to Boone long pool? Ogden, Salt Lake Cityor Pocatello is after Green River. Jeff:Thanks for the explanations. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Maybe an old BN expert can help us here, but didn't BN change some crew districts in Montana to run up to 450 miles? Railroad systems are divided into subdivisions, usually between crew change points. The railroad said they made no changes to how much time off an employee receives. Thanks to all the responses so far--both here in the newsgroup and viaemail. Radio Frequencies: AAR 55, 160.935, DS-10, Winslow to Seligman; AAR 36 160.650 DS-11 Seligman to Topock; AAR 55 160.935 Topock to Needles. The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of. If I had not already packed my 1893 Guide in preparation for moving, I could give you the name of each road. Note that the Puget Sound Extension and the WP were built in the 1905-1910 time frame and train speeds were up significantly from 30 to 40 years earlier. Goodson said that if employees work on the weekends, they can earn a single point to add to their total. Each employee begins with 30 points for a career, Knutson said. Crew changes can happen anywhere of course, but crews do frequently change in Savanna, IL which is the convergence of the C&I line to Chicago and the Barstow Sub south to Galesburg. There are quite a few who live in central Iowa and drive 200 miles to work the pool. - Erik. This year BNSF will spend nearly $2.6 billion to maintain its system, including 11,000 miles of track surfacing work, replacement of 489 miles of rail and nearly 2.7 million ties. Nothing against the over-eager railfans, but the only thing we wanted to think about was sleep. (Some of these are the same ones who always complained about the long pool because the LP crewsusually get priority to get over the road, no matter what type of train they are on, so they usually go around you.). No? Even a 25 MPH scheduled speed would result in an 8 hour trip. "This policy, that they have now, cut that in half and in half. BNSF is forever proud of its heritage and history, and we combine that with a never-ending drive to explore new technologies and approaches where appropriate to enhance safety and efficiency. Bassano was located at almost the exact halfway point on the Sub. In 1992, Santa Fe began a decades-long project to double-track the 512 miles of the route that remained single-tracked. Is La Junta the closest crewchange point? KINGMAN is an AMTRAK only crew change. In the early 1970's the law was changed to 14 hours and subsequently todays 12 hours. Some railroads do have expanded crew districts. Amtrak runs Whitefish to Havre, but I think all freights recrew at Shelby, MT, I think the other crew change is at Wolf Point, MTrather than Glasgow, MT. All engine crews changed in McComb; thus all passenger engine crews ran 100 miles from start to finish. And, crew change points were (and still are)not always the same for engine crews and for train crews on the same train. Whenever I go to the local Amtrak station I enjoy talking with the agent when he is not busy with other people, even telling him that his worst nightmare has come back to him. ), --Ken Stitzel (k@fc.hp.com)Learning Products Engineer (tech writer with functional enhancements)Hewlett-Packard Company (a pretty cool company to work for) Fort Collins, Colorado, USA (Opinions stated herein are provided without warranty and are not representative of official or unofficial HP policy on crew/helperhelp. Thanks very much guys. Since trains are stopping to give one crew rest and to pick up fresh conductors and engineers, adding another "lane" allows trains that have completed their crew change to get moving again and for faster traffic to pass slower traffic more readily. Just like the highway you drive on during your morning commute, the rail route needed to continue to expand. Most of those are of a standard BNSF design; the center piece, providing 23 feet, 6 inches of clearance over the lower main line, is an 87 four-girden deck-plate steel span. For 170 years, BNSF has played a vital role in building and sustaining this nation's economy. ), then Ogden? Find the right person to help you with your retirement benefit questions, including health insurance, the Employee Assistance Program and payroll. > * Pueblo east: ?? I know OTR truckers are only to work so many hours before they have to sign out and rest. No, Rawlins is still a crew change point for all trains 50 mph and less. They also handle (normally) the salad shooters. Every scheduled train from First Class passenger trains to Fourth Class freights had a scheduled stop for water at Bassano. Back in the 60's, the SP had a run out of Los Angeles to Santa Barbara, CA. If the district is too long tor its conditions of traffic and geography, the crew hogs out short of its final terminal, and is dogged or patched by a relief crew (idiom varies) two crews have been paid a days wages to do what was supposed to be the work of one. (While not directly owned, supposedly the ownership has ties to the UP.) Which meant that many crewsmight not be able to make the far treminal on their HOS. Additionally, if employees fall into the top 10 percent of hours worked, they can earn points. Extra lanes mean traffic flows better. I thought I read that UP phased out Rawlins, and all trains go throughto Green River from Cheyenne. Here are> some places I know they run helpers at least occassionally:> > * BNSF/UP: Denver to Palmer Lake. "And as far as working 40 hours per trip, again what they're not telling you is, yes, we may be on a train for seven to eight hours going to our destination or back," she said. Jeff, another hotel where you can rub shoulders with men in road service is the Clarion Hotel in Albany, N.Y. Kevin Knutson is a Gillette-based conductor and union leader who has worked for the railroad for over 40 years. The contents of those containers and trailers range from everyday items like clothes, appliances and TVs to the special gift you ordered online for your mother's birthday. "I would love to get whoever made this policy happen or said okay to it to come and join us for a week on how it is day to day," she urged. We seek to acquire quality goods and services at the lowest total cost of ownership by working resourcefully, efficiently, effectively and ethically with both current and prospective suppliers. Dickinson crews still run locals between New Salem and Beach including the ever growing rail hub of RICHARDTON ND. Staying at one of the lodging motels can be interesting, but I wouldnt suggest being too inquiring these days. * Pueblo east: ??? I though I saw articles in the mainstream press in the '80's that they were extending crew districts from east of Spokane, WA, across the Idaho panhandle, and over onto the flatland's of Montana. In a perfect world, a crew-district is a days work. If an employee exhausts all of their points, they can be terminated. ;-). Men in chain gang freightservice preferred being called in McCombfor a run to Gwin, since it was farther than a run to New Orleans. Trenton ON was eliminated as an away from home terminal for Toronto East Pool and Smiths Falls West Pool crews. However, the longestcrew division is CP's Belleville Subdivision from Smiths Falls ONto Toronto Yard (197 track miles) where the Toronto Terminal officially begins or ends. If I recall correctly, the Miles City to Harlowtown run was one crew district which works out to 215 miles. One thing to remember is there are some long and some short pools. Or, did they get rid of it because there was too much congestion / delays east of Clinton? During April many coal mtys will govia Cheyenne to the Orin line while the tunnel west of Guernseyis being day lighted. Since 2001, BNSF has eliminated districts running to Eugene, Ore., Helena, Mont., Quanah, Texas, Mobile, Ala., and International Falls, Minn. The MBI book "BNSF Railway" has an excellent map that pinpoints all the BNSF crew change points as of 2005. > * Denver west (UP trackage rights): do they go all the way to Grand> Junction or do they change at Bond again like UP does? Under the new policy, which is slated to. UP on the east/westline crewbases or change points are: Proviso IL, West Chicago IL (some trains), Clinton IA,Boone IA (short pool), Missouri Valley IA (Clinton long pool), Fremont NE (short pool out of Boone) North Platte NE. Edgemont, South Dakota, is a crew change point for the busy BNSF Gillette WY - Alliance NE division. In days past, the away terminal was often a remote hamlet in between two cities. Crew districts are not static. To clarify, Chicago to North La Crosse is one district, and Galesburg to North La, > To clarify, Chicago to North La Crosse is one. Get the newest photos, videos, stories, and more from Trains.com brands. Enjoy moving trains in breathtaking scenes across the country, all year long. Shop online for BNSF-branded merchandise. Forsome railroaders getting in on the other end, actually either end, the first thing they think about is beer. I'd wonder if the average speed of the slowest Milwaukee freights on the Trans-Missouri Division during the first generation diesel era would have been more like 25 MPH as opposed to 12.5 MPH. Official site: Where are the crew change points between Belen and Barstow, and are Belen and Barstow themselves also crew change points? At times they will change within minutes of stopping at the "crosswalk" where employees cross the mainline, and at other times the incoming crew will "tie down" their train on the main-line and the train will wait for literally hours on the main for the outgoing (new) crew. If anybody could help me out, that would be awesome. I'd wonder if the average speed of the slowest Milwaukee freights on the Trans-Missouri Division during the first generation diesel era would have been more like 25 MPH as opposed to 12.5 MPH. At BNSF, we are proud and honored to receive recognitions from various organizations. Seems I recall a map in trains a while back showing this. Thanks in advance for your help.Ken Stitzel wrote: You do not have permission to delete messages in this group. In the early 1970's the law was changed to 14 hours and subsequently todays 12 hours. Paul MN. It's a way to stay informed about the company, learn more about how freight rail contributes to our way of life, explore the company's rich history and connect with other BNSF supporters. Barstow CA. Some were/are longer, some were/are shorter. Anyone on the seniority district can work the pool, assumingthey have the seniority. Some crew change points were simply the points at which one railroad had a junction with another. At the time we were having trouble going from Boone to Clinton in 12 hours. erikem All Rights Reserved. But I hear it is coming. It just affects the waythe train crew's pay is calculated. Originally theyhad the hot trains, with the lesser ones going to the short pool. This is via La Junta,they can't go via Trinidad. Here we focus on topics that illustrate our commitment to where we live and work. / KC / Ft. Madison / Chicago. A train in the long pool uses one less crew than if it goes to the short pool. Would this be the right list for the Transcon? Otherwise there is a pool that runs straight through Savanna to Cicero and also a pool out of La Crosse to Galesburg. Since 2001, BNSF has eliminated districts running to Eugene, Ore., Helena, Mont., Quanah, Texas, Mobile, Ala., and International Falls, Minn. All were on lines sold off, embargoed, or substituted with haulage agreements on another railroad. Frisco always changed freight crews at Newburg, MO but my grandpa as passenger conductor changed at Monett, MO, which was farther down the line. Tribal Relations. Harvey and Enderlin, ND; Glenwood, Thief River Falls, and Minneapolis/St. Serving Carrier Reciprocal Switch Inquiry. On the CPR, in Canada, the longest crew district is the Brooks Sub. I'm sure that longer crew districts in other places are coming Our community is FREE to join. Get in touch with us using the Media Contacts list on the left. > anything I'm missing. The pandemic caused people to be out sick more often causing labor shortages. On 1 February, BNSF Railway, one of the largest railroad freight networks in North America implemented a new point system attendance policy, criticized by workers and unions representing about. Which meant that many crewsmight not be able to make the far treminal on their HOS. I was wondering about crewchangepoints along the UP and BNSF in the Midwest. CP never owned any of those ginormous tenders like the Santa Fe had to get across the arid areas they served. At times they will change within minutes of stopping at the "crosswalk" where employees cross the mainline, and at other times the incoming crew will "tie down" their train on the main-line and the train will wait for literally hours on the main for the outgoing (new) crew. BNSF Crew Change Points (Transcon and Hi Line). 1,907 177 39. LION *knows* that Mandan is a crew change point, but Dickinson is so no longer, and the next crew change point is Glendive, MT. Within these districts there are pools that work to/from intermediate terminals, such as Clinton to Marshalltown. Members enjoy 15% off any purchase in our store. Thanks again,everyone! Considering that input, BNSF will make additional modifications to the program effective June 1 to provide additional clarity and flexibility to employees. Men in road service on the Louisiana Division of the IC were based in McComb, Mississippi, which is about 100 miles from New Orleans and from Canton, Mississippi--and about 149 miles from Gwin, Mississippi, on the route through the Delta(the last two were junctions with the Tennessee Division) Passenger trains ran between Canton and New Orleans, and through freights ran between Gwin and New Orleans, on the Louisiana Division. Back when there were foru passenger trains each way on the division,except for the City of New Orleans, passenger train crews changed southbound (the City train crews changed northbound), ran to New Orleans (Canton), then ran through McComb to Canton (New Orleans), and then back to McComb, covering 400 miles in 24 hours (and then had 24 hours off). Which meant that many crewsmight not be able to make the far treminal on their HOS. Goodson said that if employees work on the weekends, they can earn a single point to add to their total. BNSF Crew Change - Free download as PDF File (.pdf), Text File (.txt) or read online for free. Heres where one railroads train crews go to work, where they lay over, and the tangled routes in between. I recall seeing a Steffee speed survey (mid-1960's?) Don't forget BNSF's Southwest Chief line. Then Alliance, NE? Although you may have to be a subscriber to access it, there is a map of BNSF crew districts in the Trains'Railroad Reference section under railroad maps. Seattle / Spokane / Hauser, ID / Whitefish, MT / Havre, MT / Glasgow, MT / Minot, ND / Fargo, ND / MSP, MN / La Crosse, WI / Chicago . We see this very often here. It is approximately 185 miles long, which was a huge accomplishment back then. Crew change points on the old Santa Fe Transco Author: chicohogger. Re: BNSF Crew Change Points Author: BN7149 The railroad is run as an East-West route. Don't worry, we won't send you too many. Approaches to the bridge had to stay under the ruling grade for the area of 1.4%. Good threads on this string. I thought it was Phippsburg not Bond but could be wrong. The Super 8 was their lodging and it was set up with a computer terminal for employees to "see" the railroad and determine what their near future entailed. BNSF crews frequently change crews here at Eola yard in Aurora, IL. Drawback for those that don't live near Clinton is the drive. The reason why so many (former complainers included) drive to workit, it's set up to work about 8 round trips per month and pays good. "We used to be able to take five weekdays, two weekend days a month off at our discretion and since the implementation of the Hi-Viz policy," she explained. "There's times I'll go a week without seeing my kids [for] more than 10 to 15 minutes just because it's such a brutal policy.". We see this very often here. This year alone, BNSF is investing approximately $1 billion into the 2,200-mile Southern Transcon route. It's grown enough that engineer's need about half of that, even less for conductors. For the moment I still have more tracks, trains, and switches then they do, but that is changing rapidly, as two new rail facilities are planned for this town. "With over 17 million intermodal loads transported by rail annually, BNSF's Southern Transcon is one of several key routes for the movement of goods from Southern California to Chicago," said Joni Casey, president and CEO, Intermodal Association of North America. Crew Change Points : Needles, Winslow Yards: Needles, Winslow Junctions @ West Williams, Phoenix Sub (BNSF) MP 375.0 Highest point: 7,322 ft @ Arizona Divide. Vancouver, WA (Portland)-Pasco, WA-Hauser,ID, Hauser, ID-Missoula, MT-Helena, MT-Laurel, MT. 546 posts BNSF Crew Change Points (Transcon and Hi Line) Posted by Doublestack on Monday, June 4, 2007 10:39 PM Good evening, Someone recently asked me how many crew changes it takes to get from Chicago to LA vs. Chicago to Seattle. She also said some of the claims that BNSF is making, especially in regard to working hours, time off, and leave, are misleading. I'm not sure if crews run through from Keddie to Stockton, or if there is a crew change at Marysville, CA. I think the Miles City to Harlowton run was one of them. For some reason, I always thought crew change points were determined by how long it took to get there. A couple less employees to receive benefits. > * Cheyenne west: Rawlins (Green River for hotshots? Allan_Love_Jr TrainBoard Member. EDIT: To answer the original poster's question I checked with what limited ressources I have, and found the following CP (ex Soo Line) crew change points in his part of the world. 15. Only the Clinton - Missouri Valley long pool. Canadian Passenger Operations: AMT, Go Transit, VIA, etc. Nothing against the over-eager railfans, but the only thing we wanted to think about was sleep. In Iowa, they started running Atkins, IA on the Council Bluffs main and Nahant (Davenport) on the KC line. Here there be cats. where are they south of La Crosse? Welcome to the BNSF Railway at Edgemont South Dakota website. From the materials that help create products people use every day to the actual finished products, our consistent and cost-effective service takes products of any size to customers when and where they need them. But completing the historic route wasn't the last piece of the puzzle. * Denver west (UP trackage rights): do they go all the way to Grand Junction or do they change at Bond again like UP does? The oldest long crew division on CP in Canada is the BrooksSubdivision from Medicine Hat to Alyth (Calgary). 16. Today's BNSF Railway is the product of nearly 400 different railroad lines that merged or were acquired over the course of 170 years. * Denver south: Pueblo* Pueblo south: Trinidad? This change made two crew districts out of what were three, running thru the traditional terminals atAvery, ID and Malden, WA. .so far" thread who said that through frieghts now use only one crew, but way freights are still supplied with crews on each Sub. In order to get a minimum speed of 12 or so MPH on the 0.5% ruling grades, the locomotives should have been able to maintain 25 or more MPH on level track, hence my wondering about 200 mile crew changes. Usually though, a long pool crew on trains that normally go to the short pool will still change out at Boone and theLP crew will continue on to the other end in a van. Or, did they get rid of it because there was too much congestion / delays east of Clinton? I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. Here we highlight stories centered on our safety culture and why it is ingrained in everything we do. Don't miss this look at the history of America's most influential builder of locomotives. BNSFs Economic Development team can help guide you through the process of expanding, developing or selecting a site. In order to get a minimum speed of 12 or so MPH on the 0.5% ruling grades, the locomotives should have been able to maintain 25 or more MPH on level track, hence my wondering about 200 mile crew changes. In older times, it would take much longer as the trains were slower. If a system map is an archaeological record of mergers, acquisitions, abandonments, and line sales, then a crew-district map is the record of all of these, plus technological change and traffic pattern change, with a great deal of law and contract negotiations mixed in. Back to CP for a moment, Calgary-Edmonton, AB is broken into two Sub's.,Red Deer and Leduc, totaling about 180 miles. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Ensure a safe, slow approach from others with this railroad-themed logo mask! Sometimes it would take the the full 16 hours on the HOS to make the run. Can someone in road service choosewhich pool to work in? Alaska Railfanning / My ARR Photos on Flickr. Why Sign In? Here aresome places I know they run helpers at least occassionally: * BNSF/UP: Denver to Palmer Lake* BNSF/UP: Denver to Winter Park (Does BNSF use helpers? The home terminal is the place where the crew normally goes to work; usually, its where the crew members live. OK, LION knows that tey went from 100 mile runs to 200 mile runs some time about 10 years ago. BNSF's secure customer website enables shipment tracking, bill payment, and more. While they have been built to provide lodging for AFHT crews, they are open to the public as well. Friends of BNSF is a community for people who have a connection to or affinity for BNSF. myemployer, any other railroad, company, or person. Then Casper and Greybull. This is part one of a video I made on my tour 8 across the country 2018 stopping in Needles California at the BNSF train yard to catch one of the many trains. Members of both unions from all involved railroads are welcome to attend. I thought they also did a UPcrew district map too, but I may be thinking about a map on the UP company website. The "run through"was established in 1970, not too long before I started my railway career with CP in that area. Knutson said he thinks the policy was implemented for several reasons. Garrett - Chciago is about 150 miles while Williard - Chicago is around 280. Back when there were foru passenger trains each way on the division,except for the City of New Orleans, passenger train crews changed southbound (the City train crews changed northbound), ran to New Orleans (Canton), then ran through McComb to Canton (New Orleans), and then back to McComb, covering 400 miles in 24 hours (and then had 24 hours off). Learn how easy it is to become a BNSF customer. Additionally, if employees fall into the top 10 percent of hours worked, they can earn points. Railroading is a big world filled with impressive and interesting people. In February, BNSF instituted an attendance policy known as Hi-Viz, which drew immediate criticism from employees and railroad unions. Others are where two adjacent crew districts were merged into one, with the crews running through the former change point between the two on all, or most trains.
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